The uncontemplative angler

The recent Secret Angler post on racism in angling knocked the Chris Yates piece off the top spot for page hits, for a while at any rate. Readership of this blog took off, partly thanks to links through the Pikers Pit forum which publishes many examples of rather nasty opinions. Some of the dimmer members of that pit of despair believe that the Secret Angler is a contributor there. Some news for them — there is more than one person in this world who holds the view that racism and general bigotry are bad things. This blog even received representation (ie aggressive comments) from a Pitter claiming there is no racism in angling. Needless to say, the denial was unconvincing, but readers can make up their own minds from this extract attributable to K Berry, a tackle dealer from Nottingham with a penchant for abuse:

I hate fish thieves…the FACT is most of them are foreigners come to our country.
I hate illegal immigrants of ANY colour
I hate people who use any religion as a weapon (atheist)

Three hates and two words in capitals. Hatred is the driving motivation behind all these unpleasant characters on angling forums. A look through the ‘political’ posts on Pikers Pit, Flyfishing.co.uk, and others shows a common theme — hatred of foreigners, ethnic minorities, women (‘bitch’ is a frequent word), Europe, education; even readers of certain newspapers, especially the Guardian for some reason, draw their bilious fury. They loathe the Labour Party with more vehemence than Alf Garnet. Enoch Powell is a hero to those old enough to remember his infamous speech on race, the dark predictions of which never happened; they are also fans of Trump, predicting he would win the US election(!), and unsavoury white supremacists like Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson). They condemn all travellers as criminals, chuck abuse at assorted BAME personalities, yet still claim they are not racist. One claims he is not racist but merely refuses to live in a multicultural society, apparently unaware he’s been living in one for decades.

Alongside the enmity goes profound ignorance. They repeat all the absurd claims which they read in the tabloids, their only source of information other than social media. Everything is somebody else’s fault: the current impasse over a trade deal with Europe is blamed on the foreigner; even Trump’s ravings over the election are taken seriously by the really half-baked (see above quote). They probably still believe he’s won. Conspiracy theories are swallowed as a pike swallows a deadbait, they pounce with pikeish aggression on anyone who argues with them.

Why does the owner of the site allow such offensive postings, in contradiction to the very limited forum rules? Probably because he agrees with them. There is a fine line between offensive and illegal; some of the comments tread very close to that line. They certainly foment hatred. Another explanation is that these sites are run as commercial or semi-commercial enterprises which get income from the advertisements. The postings described above generate traffic and this in turn generates more income. This is why Facebook is so slow to remove even the nastiest material — the anger and hatred that ensues generates ‘engagement’, which keeps the money rolling in.

I’ve written before about the Flyfishing forum. The owner, Kirsty Hewitt, denies any sympathy with the far-right political views often expressed on her site. I believe her, but the main moderator, myriad, plainly does sympathise. As with Facebook, there is a tension between income and decency. At the last time of looking, political posts are still allowed. The number of abusive individuals is lower than at Vipers Pit, though can be just as vicious. Some offensive posts on FF are eventually taken down, but the originators are rarely suspended. In fact the site is just as likely to ban the challengers of these posts, or vindictively nobble their accounts in some way. Same goes for P-P.

There are several angling forums I have never visited but I have seen enough to suspect many more suffer from the same problem. The Traditionalfisherman, another Yates fan club, does not allow political discussion, yet still tolerates the odd bigoted comment. The owners who allow such posts on their sites are doing their bit to chip away at the reputation of anglers. Since the rise in populist politics, many people who harbour racist views have gained the confidence to express them freely. Racist abuse is on the increase; all the denials of racism do not change that fact.

It’s often said that an angler cannot be all bad; the fact they go fishing is a redeeming feature. But on the evidence of the bullies on these forums, that no longer carries much weight. Those who post this kind of material are relatively few, so perhaps we can be reassured that such anglers are a minority. Perhaps.

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5 thoughts on “The uncontemplative angler”

  1. Well, that is interesting. Thank you for your analysis of the goings on at fly fishing forum.co.uk When I was there I was sorely tempted to dub one individual Alf Garnett. The reason I didn’t was that I baulked at the amount of explanation I’d have to do to communicate to him that Alf Garnett isn’t an exemplary figure. Part of what goes on in fishing forums is posturing, I think. Still dangerous because the acting out turns the actor into the thing itself. It’s a problem dealing with strident aggressive people and not becoming so oneself. That said, I believe one can overthink these things and a nasty old bastard should be called a nasty old bastard. Or something more choice

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  2. More news on flyfishing.co.uk and bigotry. Someone calling themselves Lipslicker has been banned. This is the Islamophobe and racist from last year and further back. Is the ban due to a belated realisation from the site that poisonous remarks, like implying all Muslims are murderers, are not ok? Or is it because Lipslicker called another member a ‘c**t’, as he did in his last post? I suggest flyfishing.co.uk publish an anti-racism and sexism policy. Some fishing websites already do this. Currently, with flyfishing.co.uk, I’m confused. Racism = ok. Sexist language = not ok? Be good to know.

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    1. I recall that user, one whose bigotry was only exceeded by his stupidity. I think Fish&Fly cannot make up its own mind. The FF site tolerates racism and ultra right wing posts because to ban these individuals would reduce income. Not a happy equation.

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  3. I’m not sure Ben A (Pit owner) agrees with all the extreme comments on the Pit. But he allows them because they’re so dominant among members. He earns a modest income from adverts and redirects from the Pit, so that’s his motivation for maintaining the far right status quo on there.

    Likewise there are some on there who are on the left of centre but receive income from purchases from fellow pikers, so they don’t stand up for their views. They’ll even support the far right contingent when they’re picking on a moderate poster on there, because the far right represents the body of anglers who purchase their products. You can understand their thinking in monetary terms but they do have to sell themselves out on a regular basis.

    What I find a little more odd is the more generalist company like Fogstar Batteries associating themselves with such extreme views. I’m not sure that’s a very sensible commercial decision for the company brand.

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